Best Build of skills agi hero

What are the best skills for an agi hero?

depends what kind of game your playing. I think in my own personal experience since i've come back is that the newer chas are nothing like the old ones in the sense that there is a terraptus build or some amazing build that you can use for every situation. As cha has progressed so have the moves and characters. It's pretty plausible to synergize many different moves so long as you have a decent farmer and a decent mana pool to use it (unless you just wanna stack passives to farm like bloodbath and static shock).

Pissonmyhands wrote:

depends what kind of game your playing. I think in my own personal experience since i've come back is that the newer chas are nothing like the old ones in the sense that there is a terraptus build or some amazing build that you can use for every situation. As cha has progressed so have the moves and characters. It's pretty plausible to synergize many different moves so long as you have a decent farmer and a decent mana pool to use it (unless you just wanna stack passives to farm like bloodbath and static shock).

I don't know any builds. I'm new can you tell the skills I should get?

farmers include spells like chain lightning, magic barrage, breath of fire. anything that hits multiple units for high damage. w/ agi you want to keep the mana cost down most of the time so breath of fire is prolly ur best bet. also agi will produce the fastest attack speed and highest armor due to the nature of the stat, so reincar works nicely in my opinion or crits and procs.

for a ranged agility hero you want to be a glass cannon that hides behind your summons
get skeles. a good pvp offensive like corrupt flesh, storm bolt, death strike, or nova. for misc you want to either get anti magic shell or endurance to increase your summons damage and for ult youll want either puppet master to make your summons more reliable or you want to get avatar if you didnt get anti magic shell so that your opponent cant 1 hit kill you with silent night or dread curse. thats really the only way you can effectively run an agi ranged hero against a good player, and even then its not a very good choice
melee however, is my favorite hero choice. every one of the agi melee heros should be used a different way, and ill leave that up to you to figure out :p. if you want, check out the builds section of the forum and look through some of my posts, or anyone who has a bright yellow or blue color to their name, and youll find alot of tips there that will help you out with your builds.

For agi? Uno farm spell, and Crits and Bash's. Agi are the ninja assassins of CHA, you kill you opponent quick and the needs to end before mid game, or generally Strength or a good Intel Build will ass rape you harder then Oprah and Twinky's.

bashs? i hope you dont mean the skill bash, those are just awful with agi they are str skills. staff bashes work good because you get really good magic damage from them and they disrupt annoying channels but other than that you wanna stay away from passives except death strike and magic enhanced attacks (agi gets all the passives from items, there is no need to get more with skills) disables, heals, nukes, those are the things you can use with agi effectively as they will allow you to get the job done alot faster and keep you alive alot longer.

agi's have no chance of winning late game in general, due to their shitty Base Attack Speeds, in general, assuming skill difference is not huge, agi is all about the early game DPS, i perfer endurance aura for farming, it works wonders.

woh? not really. they are mid-late game heroes because the stat that increases their damage subsequently increases their armor and attack speed. in that sense they are a lot weaker in the beginning when their attack speed is low but are much better geared for later game since the majority of their stats go into dmg, dmg reduction, as well as attack speed. (i think i just repeated my point like 2 times in one post :/)

coughcough*timmy*coughcough

but nah, blonde does have a point. late game items are always basically the same (well, no so much any more, but w.e) so a low base attack speed will ultimately make u fail.

Every point of armor adds 6% maximum hit points to your actual amount needed to kill you on top of reducing the damage you take. Ehp makes you a bitch to kill. EHP + Insane Regen usually means you cant die.

Strength only adds HP no regen

Intell adds MP and regen but unless you have Terraptus or Mana Shield that dont mean a submarine phoque.

Agility gives attack speed, armor, and effectively increses your hit points to a degree. In ultra late game this means your actually tankier then the 10000000 HP tank although he does have a shit ton of life if your equally farmed your regen will be healing more then the damage they're actually able to dish out.

even though agi does go into armor, armor and agi gain are relatively low, and the game will rarely go into the state that you are done getting immortal items and you are stacking tomes... infact i haven't been in a game like that to date.

so agi as a stat isn't whats bad, its agi as a hero type is worthless late. early and mid game is amazing, because you stacking agi and attack damage early giving you huge dps before other heros start getting agi items

the difference isnt that much bigger than the others. take for instance stacking ring on timmy or huntress would work better for a str hero like space orc items tend to give multi stats while your outtake is a bit more geared towards the fact that certain early game items only give agi. that however is not the case w/ most items as they balance stats b/t two or even all three attributes. when you take this into factor, alot of the int items like cloak or even set give pretty good bonuses for agi and boost attack speed.

Sharky wrote:

Every point of armor adds 6% maximum hit points to your actual amount needed to kill you on top of reducing the damage you take. Ehp makes you a bitch to kill. EHP + Insane Regen usually means you cant die.

Let me clarify..... In cha, that 6% is actually only 4% (Which I have said a few times, but will hopefully stick this time)

On a diff note... It is kinda silly that so many people firmly believe that agi cant do shit late game. I mean, a lot of melee AGI are only .1 slower than non agi heroes. The difference between Slithery and Dark Elf, is 36% damage. and that is a .7 difference. so a .1 difference is.. well, 36/7... which is ~5%. 5% DPS is NOT a huge deal. Why? well, agi items give armor, allowing you to live longer. Also, they give crits and evasion; allowing you to deal more DPS, and take less.

true, that any hero type can get the same stats, but they come easier to agility.

Unless you are reallllly good, playing another REALLLLLLY good player, that tiny bit means nothing. Fats has great AGI builds; why? because he is good with them. the 5% less DPS at max attack speed is nothing, if you are good with your hero! Ranged agi is all you are allowed to complain about!

Its 4% lol sorry okay. Still though thankfully your pointed it out I was actually looking through replays but must had erased it anyways I remember I was in a game where basically everybody left the idiot host raised the kill count to like 200 oponent was Slithery I was DH needless to way we had the exact same items 4 fucken masks ect anyways we both were toming he was no longer able to damage me and I slowly but surely killed him. To say agility is not a good late game stat is flat out retarded. Essentially with enough points of it they will not be able to damage you at all around some point. Then eventually he got enough hp to make it to the tie as the timer auto killed us.

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Its 4% lol sorry okay. Still though thankfully your pointed it out I was actually looking through replays but must had erased it anyways I remember I was in a game where basically everybody left the idiot host raised the kill count to like 200 oponent was Slithery I was DH needless to way we had the exact same items 4 fucken masks ect anyways we both were toming he was no longer able to damage me and I slowly but surely killed him. To say agility is not a good late game stat is flat out retarded. Essentially with enough points of it they will not be able to damage you at all around some point. Then eventually he got enough hp to make it to the tie as the timer auto killed us.

ya like i said earlier, this is irrelavent to any serious cha play, but i have to disagree with glorn. 5% damage can mean a huge difference late game, though not as much as good farming and pure skill, but assuming the same factors, agi heros will become underpowered later on, however good agi players take advantage of their early game dps to farm and gank more effectively than non-agi's. nothing makes a goodlate game than making your opponents late game shitty as fuck.

okay, you disagreed with me, then, agreed with me. though I didn't point it out, it is to be assumed...

Wanna know why I use fast moving, fast casting int heroes? Not because they are good late game (they arent) but because I can farm fast, and gather more gold than the STR hero next to me. With said gold, I can buy items and stats, giving me a very solid DPS bonus. 5% damage really is nothing. A crit from an ultimate sword is 44.5% damage increase; from the critical strike chance alone. 9 times more powerful that the DPS difference. The crit on a talon weapon is around 30-37% damage increase (depending on the weapon) sooo, if that agility hero manages to outfarm you AT ALLLLLL; that 5% DPS is made up for.

5% DPS is nothing, unless the game is REALLLLLY close. How often do any of you have a really close game? I'm talking like, both players are at 1% HP when 1 finally dies.

Again, AGI items are geared more towards DPS anyway, so agility heroes make it back a lot faster than a slower attacking STR hero.

If you wanna argue a slow attacking hero vs. a fast one, there is no problem with that. But compare the extremes. Dont pick a 2.1 attack speed STR hero over a 2.2 attack speed agility hero, because of the BAT.

Also, agility has the very best starting item line of any of the hero types.

to boot a good mix of skills and micro can make up for 5%. i feel bad no one answered this guys question though I wish I could but the only agi build i know of i ripped from imso so i'm not fit to answer you

i have to agree with didnot, even tho hes making it sound a little rediculous i have never come across a game where i lost late game because i was an agi hero, it was all do to skill vs skill counters.
timmy is an awful hero, NEVER USE HIM! i despise anyone who uses timmy. siren is ok tho.
also agree with glorn, ranged agi is really the only hero you can complain about you literally have to win it quick and you have to have a build based on kiting or hiding behind something and getting redic damage.

i've actually had a lot of games where i win or lose duels by less than 100 hp... not the majority, but more than a handful definitely

maybe the game isn't that close over all, but i wouldn't' hesitate to say one out of every 2-3 games there is a duel where the players are both in low red hp.

But you also have to agree that most agi heroes on average have a much lower BAT then other heroes, and their movespeeds are comparable to intel and str heroes, which is the issue i was trying to make.

I feel like this post is dealing with apples and oranges. Blonde seemed to be talking about the heroes that are picked and simply that (not moves or items). You simply cannot generalize these characters. Just becuase a character is agi based (for example) doesn't mean it gains agi the most. If you take a look, there are characters where their base stats/stat gains don't reflect the type of character they are so you can't be simply saying one agi character is similar to another (this can be said for both int and str). I also find it stupid to think agi characters are not late game. Int characters generally focus on mana (but not all the time) and thus can use the int gain to support spells which can be good for farming. But even with that said, items can be bought to support that mana. Since agi characters may have low int gain, people generally focus on passives and auras which are generally based on the percent of the character which i would consider to be more of a late game skill. Before piss mentioned how rein works nice. I happen to love rein but remember that is based on percent health so a character gaining lots of str could slightly benefit more (or simply a character with lots of health).

Question, does str gain affect health regen at all, even if it is just a little, or none what-so-ever?

str doesnt affect regen. Though, I agree in some aspect to your post, I must also disagree to an extent. The later the game goes, the larger the gap between hero types becomes. Strength heroes ARE the best late game, simply because they get HP from their main stat. Agility is second best, because they get armor. INT is the worst, because unless you have terrap/ms, you get nothing special from having 40k mana. This is why int heroes have the lowest BAT though. Their main stat sucks, they need something to make them viable late game. AGI heroes simply become too strong too fast during the mid-late game transition, because their items are the most damage-geared. STR heroes are the mac trucks of the game, that can do decent all game, and really shine an hour+ into the game.

At different stages of the game, different hero types reign supreme (assuming people of similar skill are using decent builds) However, every hero type has its area of expertise.

As a response to the whole "Cant stack stats till after immortal items." id like to point out i dont get any immortal items for agi.

ive seen some effective no farming skill agl builds, then again it may be due to everyone in pubs being shit, so they can get away with it.

unless you mean that shitty pubs allow you to steal your spawns the skill of your team or the opposing team doesnt really make a difference