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PostSubject: Weak Constitution Build   Weak Constitution Build EmptySun Dec 05, 2010 3:21 pm

Weak constitution is possibly the most underused skill in the game. ever since it underwent the change from a aura to a spell, i have seen it used a total of maybe 3-4 times. Heres a build i created in an attempt to use the never-used ultimate.

Hero: Timmy/Hunter ( hunter has huge agil/str gain, but low int. timmy has decent agil,str,and int gain, but a AWESOME BAT. if your getting flare, go timmy)
Offensive: Pulverise (main lvl)
Defensive: Static shock/mana flare (put a couple lvls into this, then stop)
Misc: Magic enhanced attacks (secondary lvl this after you have put a few points into your defensive)
Ulti: Weak Constitution (lvl whenever ur on a multiple of Cool

Heres a general overview of why i got these. First, pulverise will be your farmer. This will get you through mid-game and late-game farming, but leaves you very weak at farming from early-early/mid game. You MUST GET BOMBS if you wish to farm anything like normal on this build. When choosing your skills, look at what your opponents hero is. if there hero is an agility/str, get static shock. static shock will put the hurt on mainly passive attacking heroes, and if you go static, you will be able to farm something like normal. if they are intel, get mana flare. while taking away from your farming capabilities that you could have with static, mana flare will give you a huge amount of power in pvp. mana flare plus weak constitution will deal a HUGE amount of dmg to spellcasters, allowing you to deal with the standard int build that is meant to counter passive builds. AMS will counter you hard early game, but once you have lvl 12 of both pulv and magic enhanced, you will burn through ams VERY VERY FAST.

early game: get bombs and boots to start, and bombs plus pulverise will allow you to clean up the lvl 1 creeps. win the first duel if you can, even if it means buying a 700 gold ams pot and a 750 gold hp pot. if you can get one kill early game, it will help you sooo much late, giving them 4 minutes less to complete imba spell reduction items.

mid game: your massive spell damage from pulverise and magic enhanced attacks plus weak c is starting to kick in, but your still below them several lvls from lack of farming power. buy medium goblin bombs, them plus weak c plus pulverise will allow you to continue farming at an almost normal rate, at the cost of 3k gold.

Late game: you should still be able to dominate them pvp, but not for long. once they get a immortal item that gives 95% spell reduc, its GG for you. MAKE SURE to buy extra lvls of pulverise and a extra lvl of weak c. lvl 15 pulverise gives you a whopping 45% chance to proc, and lvl 5 weak c gives you a 100% increased spell dmg.... do the math. if they have a 50% reduction item, like spiked gloves or one of the 2 cloaks, you still do 100% of your normal spell dmg. even if they have black knights mail for 75% spell reduction, you still do 50% of your normal spell dmg. In a team game, or even in a 1v1, a fat man goblin bombs plus weak c is formidible, and will normally take out at least 1/3 of their hp.

I NEED ADVICE ON HOW TO IMPROVE THIS BUILD!!!!!!! FEEDBACK ANYONE?
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PostSubject: Re: Weak Constitution Build   Weak Constitution Build EmptySun Dec 05, 2010 3:43 pm

Passive farm builds are always going to be weak to farming builds. The problem you are going to run into is that once they get a few lvls ahead of you there is nothing to stop them from grabbing a frost orb and kiting you around. These will have better items due to farming faster and getting more gold as they will also have a higher lvl then you. I believe that you'd be able to afford getting chain light, static shock magic enhanced; this way you will be able to farm faster while still doing a shitload of dmg.

other then that i think your build is fine. I dont agree with the bomb usage mid game because i feel that as soon as someone realizes the spell dmg is coming hard they'll start getting more ams pots and the early game 50% spell reduction. Theyll outgear you because you spent so much gold in bombs and if they are good enough to realize they need spell reduction then they will destory the good part of your build.

The build seems at odds with itself because you will be behind in farming using a build that is meant to win before the late game. The only real domination you will be doing is in hte mid game. An str hero will be starting to make the appearence because they get good as the game goes on. a well farming agi hero will gain an early game lead and invest in spell reduction; making its mid and late game much stronger. Int heros will surge forward in levels and gear allowing them to start ganking before the real power of your build can be brought to bear.

I would advise using timmy, using soul burn static shock and immolation with your weak C. use the HP innate to allow you to survive against creeps till your immolation can kill them. the chaos knight is another good option because of its high starting mana.

Bombs may still be a good idea if your mana is too low to support immolation but there has to be a point in your build that you think its time to turn around and start winning. For an agi hero, if you fall behind early in any matchup save for a bad late game int build then you will have a very hard time making up your ground later on.
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PostSubject: Re: Weak Constitution Build   Weak Constitution Build EmptySun Dec 05, 2010 4:54 pm

@ bane pulv on agi (especially timmy) is gg auto attacking ftw. it deals so much dmg in the mid game that this w/ timmy or slith can practically outfarm u after the 2nd duel (as long as you build towards auto attacking).

start with a fire orb. u get the most attack per gold and the dmg output w/ pulv can easily get u to 7 before the first duel. it wont set u behind in stats either since ur not gettin bombs. buuut gl not dying to anyone who wants to go over to your side of the base kill u b/c ur pretty much a spellcasters dream come true. timmy w/ little to no spell resis and if u go for it ur gonna attack like a chicken attacking a ogre magi Very Happy

needless to say it seems... oh how should i put this... a very venom-esk build.
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PostSubject: Re: Weak Constitution Build   Weak Constitution Build EmptySun Dec 05, 2010 5:18 pm

lol piss... if they gank me then i use a magical item called supersonic ring. ever heard of it? :p and as for bombs failing... im not going to be perma-getting bombs all game. i get them at lvl 1 to 1 shot creeps with bombs/pulv. then once i am around... say.... lvl 16 ill be getting bombs again ( the medium bombs) 500 dmg 10 charges is very worth it in my opinion, especially combined with weak c will take down 2/3 of the creeps hp, making them WEAKSAUCE for pulv. and i wont be using bombs in duels (unless absolutely nessecary), so my enemy wont really be overly concerned about them enough to change their item build to rush spell reduc. its not the bombs that make them rush reduc, its the fact that anybody whos decent at the game will most likely rush spell resistance anyways the moment they see my weak c. As for getting kited... endurance aura items anybody? cloak of the fox is one of the first items i get on agility. invis items anybody? mastery of the ring is also a item any good player needs for the invis.
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PostSubject: Re: Weak Constitution Build   Weak Constitution Build EmptySun Dec 05, 2010 5:46 pm

I support this build. I ran an auto attack farm build on the peon. It was pulv, static, unholy frenzy. I managed to hit level 8 for the first duel; I think it was against yeti also; so it wasnt like I was walking all over somebody to get easy levels; I earned all 8. If you get good; early leveling is not gonna be a problem for you. I would highly suggest not using timmy though; he is so fragile early game, that rather than 8; youd be lucky to get 6. As undead said; it would have a hard time against a normal farming ability. On someone tankier, like hunter; you shouldnt have a problem. Just remember your potions for duels; especially AMS, and you shouldnt have a problem beating people.
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PostSubject: Re: Weak Constitution Build   Weak Constitution Build EmptySun Dec 05, 2010 10:27 pm

Assassain anyone?

then you can get AMS instead of MEA and keep static shock. i use that build and its pretty ripped, you don't have level AMS that much, but 4 or so it blocks like 1k damage takes 50 mana to cast with approx 4 sec cd
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PostSubject: Re: Weak Constitution Build   Weak Constitution Build EmptySun Dec 05, 2010 10:29 pm

I know i am an AMS whore but that skill is so good at lvl 6 its sick
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PostSubject: Re: Weak Constitution Build   Weak Constitution Build EmptyMon Dec 06, 2010 12:01 am

Honeslty this works but seems like a waste of the weak skill. Seriously with weak you can grab any farm skill my favorite is fireward or flame strike and use your other skills points towards late game so farm your ass off and dominate them hard. Honestly this is alright but using an actual nuke with weak I could easily out farm you.
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PostSubject: Re: Weak Constitution Build   Weak Constitution Build EmptyMon Dec 06, 2010 7:32 pm

sure you can prob outfarm me with a real farming skill plus weak c, but can you out pvp me? you wont outfarm me by enough to auto-win duels, although i will be slightly behind you all game. but once we hit mid-game magic enhanced atatcks plus pulverise plus weak c will beat you down easily
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PostSubject: Re: Weak Constitution Build   Weak Constitution Build EmptyMon Dec 06, 2010 7:39 pm

Depends what my defensive and misc skills are but yea probably.
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PostSubject: Re: Weak Constitution Build   Weak Constitution Build EmptyTue Dec 07, 2010 5:06 am

if hes beating you by 3 levels and spending his money right hes gonna beat you hands down. especially if you decide to go bombs since ur auto attack will be atrocious with timmy and even w/ hunter compared to someone w/ items and stats.

jee you ask for critique but dont accept the critique of 3 players who are telling you that its gonna be weak against spells Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Weak Constitution Build   Weak Constitution Build EmptyTue Dec 07, 2010 12:09 pm

idk, if i'm playing int, you are most likely gonna be base camped after about lvl 12 and it won't even matter... stuns/debuffs are gonna rock you. as is kiting.
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PostSubject: Re: Weak Constitution Build   Weak Constitution Build EmptyTue Dec 07, 2010 7:22 pm

Wouldnt need to kite him much evasion the skill will roxorz him alone. His entire build is based around being able to hit me. Even if he found a way around being nuker raped any disable or a highly leveled evasion would rock him hell if I wanted to be a dick I could perma bash him for the ultimate insult to injury. There are so many ways I could own him in the duels that if he stopped to think about it his head will spin.
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PostSubject: Re: Weak Constitution Build   Weak Constitution Build EmptyWed Dec 08, 2010 3:44 pm

this build is supposed to be a magic damage build... thats the only reason you got WC.... if your not doing the spell damage that you get from MEA (which is over 200 max level) then your wasting weak c. idk if pul is spell damage or not... but even if it is it doesnt do THAT much damage until around lvl 12. and it only has a chance to do that damage. if any skill is disposable in this build its pul. static shock would help taking down ams and deal a few hundred extra damage too much to replace that... this build seems pretty op actually. as long as you get good at farming with it. farming is key with it. if you can get even 1 level on your opponent early its something. also... im pretty sure the destroying 10 mana from lightning orb does spell damage right? so that would help you along too. theres so much you could do with this build. corruption staff, fire staff, hell.... ice staff would freeze them. and especially with timmy getting that somewhat early wouldnt be a bad idea for the extra hp.
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